Campervan vs Caravan

The raging debate in our home over the past few weeks has been examining the pro’s and cons of the campervan versus the caravan. The campervan definitely has more space, more luxury and accommodates the dogs better… But, limits movement once we set up camp, so we will need to tow a second vehicle as a runabout. On the other hand the 4×4 caravan and a decent off road capable vehicle will allow us to explore more places where a campervan definitely would not go.

What a dilemma. What to do. What to do.

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The Gloves are OFF – Echo Kavango vs Imagine Comfortvan

Echo Kavango 4x4 caravan

Echo Kavango 4x4 caravan

The Echo Kavango 4×4 Caravan

After a rather hectic few months, Tina and I finally got a chance to pop out to Blackheath just North of Cape Town to take a gander at the Echo Kavango. Following Google Map’s suggested route and after a few wrong turns we finally made our way into Saxenburg Park and headed for the new agents address at 60B Muscat Street. We were met at the door by the on-duty chap who ushered us into the spacious warehouse. The cavernous showroom was filled with all manner of off road and camping gear from fridges to sand tracks. Everything a bundu basher could ever need for a trip into the African bush. I headed straight for the Echo Kavango that was on display among the off road trailers and smaller vans, and set about inspecting the van in great detail. The first thing that looked a

Echo Kavango shower cubicle

Echo Kavango shower cubicle

bit dodgy was the shower cubicle. It consisted of a moulded floor that was suspended from the side of the van opposite the door and surrounded by a canvas screen wall. I just had to step in and see if it could support my weight which it did, much to my surprise. The cubicle was also surprisingly spacious. Ten followed my standard test for any van(or couch for that matter), the prone test. I climbed into the forward sleeping cubicle and did a full stretch test. The bed passed the test, but was a bit cumbersome to climb into and out of. The same test on the dinner cubicle cum double bed passed with flying colours(might just need to upgrade the mattress) but the thought of “making up a bed” every night for a year was a bit off-putting. The acid test for me was how easy it would be to set up and take down camp, especially since we may only be stopping over at some places for a day,

Echo Kavango dinner/double bed

Echo Kavango dinner/double bed

So I got the on-duty chap to pack away and then deploy the shower and the forward pop-out bed. Getting the shower set up seemed to be a bit of a hassle so we probably would opt for the optional packing space which is seriously lacking in the Kavango. Quite a surprise was seeing avan on display that looked almost exactly like the Kavango. On closer inspection, the name on the side was Quatro, a dirt road(not 4×4) variation that had the same layout, except for the shower, and had a downgraded drive train suitable for gravel roads. In conclusion, the Pro’s of the Kavango was well constructed with monocoque design, all openings were well sealed against dust and the layout was adequate for two adults. The off road capabilities seemed(on paper and reading the 4×4 forums) to be vary capable. The Con’s are lack of packing space, the forward pop-out bed was difficult to get into and out of but not much else.

Imagine Comfort Van

Imagine Comfort Van

Imagine Comfortvan 4×4 Caravan

So, had we found our champion? The answer would be revealed after our next port of call, the Imagine Comfort Van. I gave Jean Theart, the local Cape Town agent, a call to get some driving directions to his small holding near Muldersvlei. We zipped along the R600 and onto the M1 north towards Paarl and off at the Tygerberg Zoo turnoff. Jean was there to meet us, as was his own personal Comfort Van. This was my first look at the Imagine vans although I have heard first hand reports from my travelling friends Anne and Andre from Hout Bay. I must admit, my first impression was not great. It looked like fort Knox from the outside without what appeared to be windows. Tina and I stood back and watched as Jean brought the Comfort Van to life, opening the pop-out beds, dropping down the kitchen compartment and raising the roof. Now that looked more like it. The

Imagine Comfort Van storage area

Imagine Comfort Van storage area

Comfort Van was a bit smaller that the other vans we had looked at with the main double bed in a forward pop-out compartment but with no convertible dinning area. The noticeable difference was the opening into the bed, being much bigger that all three previous models, making getting into and out of bed a breeze, even for Tina. There was also so much more packing space with a proper clothes storage area that could be either a vertical or horizontal configuration and the kitchen layout put a smile on Tina’s face with stowage for pots, pans, spices and all manner of cooking gadget.

Imagine Comfort shower cubicle

Imagine Comfort shower cubicle

The shower cubicle was tucked away at the entrance and could double up a storage space while on the move. So far, the little and quite surprising Comfort Van was proving to be a winner. I spent some time opening and closing all the pop-out and pop-up bits to get an idea of how long it would take to set up, break down and also to secure the van when we went off on day excursions. All in all, the task was very manageable and could easily be performed by one person(read me), leaving the other to pack the car and get the dogs sorted. Talking of dogs, there was even space for their beds by utilising the shower cubicle again.

In conclusion, the Imagine Comfort Van seemed to be a better choice for a number of reasons; It was lighter, easier to deploy and pack up, simpler to secure and had loads of packing/storage space. The only down side was the interior space. I asked Tina to imagine(excuse the pun) spending three weeks stuck in awful weather and crammed un in a small space with two bloody great big bullmastiffs. And then make a choice. Watch this space…

 

 

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New contender for the throne

Saturday morning dawned dark and dreary with a steady drizzle soaking the landscape. Cycling wasn’t going to happen judging from the stream of sms messages from the usual group. So Tina and I decided to go caravan shopping since she hadn’t seen any of the models and I had only seen a ten year old Explorer. A quick check on the website for the addresses, all being behind the “Boerewors Curtain” (strange that – how unusual), so we bundled the bullies into the car headed out toward the north. The first stop was Safari Center in Goodwood where we would get a chance to check out the Conqueror Commander.

There she was, in the flesh. The caravan was set up in the showroom along with awning and shower/privy tent – sale price was R 180k for the basic set up. The real problem was that is was so dark inside, I could hardly make out any details. Maybe the young salesman was trying to hide something but made no attempt to illuminate the interior even when I mentioned it a second time. My first impression was that the Commander was solidly built and well thought out. Or so I thought. While we were checking out one of the smaller models, we struck up a conversation with Steve and Linda, overland enthusiasts and co-incidentally owners of an older model of the Commander. Steve was kind enough to share his first hand experiences of the caravan. Next thing I knew, we were both crouching under the rear inspecting the independent suspension and some other details of the chassis. We got to chatting about the sleeping arrangements and it was only then that I noticed that there were some odd intrusions around the saloon double bed and Steve also mentioned that he had to sleep diagonally on the pop-out bunk due to his height(about 6’2″) . Steve finally confessed that in his opinion the Jurgens Explorer was more refined and probably better appointed and in reality he would opt for the Commander if he had to choose again. He and Linda also mentioned that they had looked at two other models that may be of interest to us, the Echo 4×4 (which they had seen at Marine World in Paarden Eiland)  and the Imagine.

That was exactly what Tina and I decided to do, go check out the competition. So we thanked Steve and Linda(sorry we didn’t get their surname or contact details as it would be great to pick their brains some more) and headed off to our next stop. Leisure Land in Bellville, the agents for the Jurgens Exoplorer. We were met by the enthusiastic salesman who showed us around the Explorer and patiently answered all of our questions. I could tell from the outset that although the caravan was far more refined and luxurious that what we had just seen, it definitely had a less than robust demeanor. The chassis seemed sold enough but the body work and interior fittings seemed flimsy(probably why my friends 10 year old van looked so tiered.)  Tina was definitely more keen on the Explorer than the Commander and I could see why. The interior was definitely much more luxurious, the bed better appointed and with more storage. Another plus was access to the kitchen and fridge from inside the caravan for when the weather was really rough. The sales man offered us a 15K discount on the R230k price tag without us even asking.

Echo 4x4 kavango

We hit the N1 South and headed towards the city and our next encounter. The Echo 4×4. My first impression of the Echo Namib was “too small”. Tina’s first impression was “yippee, inside shower and loo”.  Fortunately Stephan of Waterworld in Paarden Eiland arrived just in time and gave us a rundown of the pros and cons. The best news was that there was a larger 4 berth model called the Kavango. Now we’re talking. On closer inspection, I realized that the Echo was streets ahead of both the previous contenders; although not as luxurious as the Explorer, definitely well appointed and as solidly built as the Commander. The fiberglass monocoque  construction meant less loose and rattling panels and clever seaqls around all the doors, windows and other opening means less dust infiltration. Both characteristics  very appealing, especially since we plan to spend a lot of time off the beaten track and probably thousands of kilometers on dirt roads. We made arrangements with Stephan, the helpful proprietor of Water World, to see the Kovango as soon as one could be located. I think this could be the one…

It’s amazing what you discovering when you start researching in detail. And the amount of information you gather by chatting to other like mind folks who generously share their experiences. So, with he sun now shining down on Cape Town, we headed back home to give the bullies a walk and to collate all the new information gathered and gained. Next stop – Imagine. Can’t wait.

 

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Local agents for Conquorer Commander and Jurgens Explorer

Just did a quick look up on for local dealers for these two manufacturers:

Conqueror Connection Cape Town
(T/A Safari Centre Cape Town)

Address: Shop 9, Motor City, Goodwood, Cape Town,
Tel:             (021) 595-3910
E-mail: sales@safarict.co.za

Leisureland Caravans

Tel021 948 4425 Fax021 948 7083  GPS:S33° 54.168′ E18° 37.966′
Visit our new premises on Modderdam Rd Bellville    www.LeisureLand.co.za
Tygerberg Caravans & Motorhomes

Tel021 982 4670 Fax021 982 4674  GPS: S33° 51.703′ E18° 41.023′
Visit our shop on the corner of Brackenfell Boulevard and Hillcrest Str Brakenfell     www.TygerbergCaravans.co.za
CARA-CAMP Caravan & Outdoor Centre

Tel021 852 8215 Fax021 852 8217  GPS: S34° 06.133′ E18° 51.318′ 
Visit our shop in Someset West Business Park just off N2 in Somerset West    www.Cara-Camp.co.za
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Conqueror Commander vs Jurgens Explorer

Have just had a look at the respective websites for both the Jurgens Explorer and the Conqueror Commander off road caravans. I must say, they both look very impressive and more than capable of doing the job. I have also found some interesting reading matter on the 4X4 Community Forum.

Now it’s down to the details where the devil lives and then

to visit the respective manufacturers to get a first hand look at the vehicles. Having never seen either of these caravans before my first encounter with the Explorer that happened by a chance meeting with a cycling friend. I bumped into him at the entrance of the Miller’s Point caravan park near Cape Point while we were both on a solo ride. He was popping in to visit some friend who were spending the weekend there – staying in their Explorer. Coincidence. Me thinks not. Although the van was ten years old and well used, the build quality was evident. Besides some cracked plastic bits here and there, a well worn carpet and a replaced jockey wheel,  everything looked serviceable. It was also great to chat to the owner and his wife, getting their respective views on the pros and cons as experienced over the years and many trips they have enjoyed. The pros definitely outweighing the cons.

So the main theme flowing from the 4X4 community discussion seems to be about suspension and details on the build materials. The Commander has indipendant suspension (not sure how important that is for our purposes) and that the Explorer has more wood and fiberglass in the construction (see previous comments about cracked plastic bits). But the consensus seems to be that both will do the job equally well, although the Explorer was rated as a more luxurious option… more like my style for our road trip. Planning to spend a year on the road does require some creature comforts.

Now it’s time to check out the goods. Will be setting up some apointments with sellers and agents.

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Conquered Comander off road caravan

Just been doing some searching and came across an alternative. Caravan! The conquere Comander made in Gauteng. Some interesting reading relating to build quality and features on 4×4 community forum. More to follow.

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One year and counting!!!!

John and I dreamed of this trip some years ago, it remained a dream that was never far from reality in our minds….well guess what….it is about to come true….we are planning our roadtrip at this very moment. We have this year to finalise unfinished business, plan, sort and then S-T-A-R-T.  We don’t have any particular route in mind right now, we are at the beginning stages, so guys, any guidance or feedback on vehicles, caravans, places of interest to visit, dog friendly caravan parks etc, etc, etc, will be of substantial assistance to us as we put everything together over the next 12 months.As you have probably guessed, our two furry children (above) Quince and Gypsey will be travelling with us.  They are fully  obedience trained, so we will be able to introduce them to people who have a perception that dogs are only there to patrol premises, bark at anyone or anything that they feel is a threat and live in kennels outside.  Our blog has started, you will all be able to keep in touch, see what we are up to and join in, as we wind our merry way round South Africa.  I would like to visit as many establishments as we can along the way, especially those who are listed on our website known as Doorway Travel.  We can then give our potential overseas guests and locals first hand feedback on each place we visit.  I would like to meet as many local people as I can, find out what makes them tick, sample their signature dishes, cook them, then include them in a cookery book I want to produce on our return.Keep visiting our website as the countdown begins.

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Jurgens explorer off road caravan

The discussion has recently turned to accommodation on the road and what sort of living arrangements would work best? Well, considering the fact we will be traveling with “the bullies” and also planning to stop over at selected spots for an extended periods, the debate is raging between a camper van or caravan. Neither Tina or myself have any experience with either of these modes of mobile home so we cannot speak from experience.We have however spent many a memorable holiday camping at various spots around the country from coastal to bush locations, so the thought of camping is not an affront to the senses. From a pragmatic point of view, the idea of a caravan makes sense in that we will be able to set up camp and then have our vehicle free for day excursions and the odd shopping trip into town/village/nearest shops. That way we won’t have the schlep of having to detach the tents from a campervan.On the other hand, the idea of towing a caravan, especially over some of the passes we are planning to include in our itinerary does send waves of trepidation down my spine. That makes the campervan sound so much more appealing, having the dogs in the vehicle with us and also the luxury of some of these modern campers is very appealing(me showing off my softer side).But when the rubber hits the road, the caravan idea seems to be street ahead. So the hunt is on. Having decided that the caravan idea would work best, it’s now a process of deciding which make and model. I recently started looking at the Jurgens off road model called the explorer. The appeal here is that it has god ground clearance in the eventuality of having to travel to some difficult to reach spot, and also cruising along the many dirt roads to off the beaten track must visit locations.So there it is then. A Jurgens Explorer: http://www.jurgenssafari.co.za/models/xplorer.html More to follow…

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It’s finally happening

It’s hard to believe, but the dream of traveling aroung our magnificent South Africa is finally taking shape. It seems that the planets are aligning and the Gods are willing. We are at the early stages of planning with the daily discussion centering on:

  1. what vehicle would best suite our needs?
  2. do we need passports for the dogs?
  3. what about security?
  4. should we be looking at a camper van or a caravan(we have never been caravaning before)

and all these nagging questions keep popping up… especially at 4AM. then lying awake for hours wrestling with the possibilities. Well, this time next year, the questioning will be a thning of the past and the road will becon us to seek out the next destination. Can’t wait. Counting the days.

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